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John 15-16: Quit Trying to Get in Jesus by Doing His Will

Christian Living, Growth, Jesus, John

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7 Comments
  • Matthew Allen

    Edwin….great post today. Appreciate your work.

    • EdwinCrozier

      Thanks, Matt.

  • Leslie

    Wow, so cool!! Thanks for showing me that!

  • Dan Henderson

    How do we abide in Christ if we are not striving to do His will? John 15:10; 1John 2:1-6; 3:24
    I don’t think you want someone to believe they can please God even when they don’t do His Will, but the video lesson above could be used to support that idea.
    This message could easily leave the impression that knowing God is more important than obeying God. The scriptures listed above teach that we cannot really be with God (or Christ) unless we are careful to do God’s will.
    John 15 does not teach abide in me, then do my will. It teaches do my will so you will abide in me and bring forth fruit.

    • EdwinCrozier

      Hey Dan, I hope no one will use this video to teach doing God’s will is unimportant. I certainly hope you don’t think I was trying to say that.

      In fact, the whole post is predicated on the idea that I need to do His will, bear fruit, and glorify Him. The point in the post is putting the cart and the horse in their proper place. In the past, I’ve tried to prove I was good enough to be in Christ by showing how good I am at keeping His rules. After trying that for years, I figured out I stink at doing His will. I always go back to sin (wretched man that I am). Since I want to do God’s will, but I keep messing that up, what is the answer. The answer is be in Christ. When I abide in Him, He gives me the life and strength to do the Lord’s will as I’ve wanted.

      So, today, I’m going to do whatever I can to connect to Jesus and let His strength lead me to obedience. Let me ask, what do you think a day spent in trying to “be with Him so that I can do His will” would look like?

      • Dan Henderson

        That all sounds good, Edwin, but you still did not answer my question. How can I abide in Christ if I am not doing my best to do His will? Especially in light of John 15:10, “If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love.”
        You stated you were going to stop doing your best to do His will so that you could abide in Jesus, yet scripture teaches you cannot abide in Jesus unless you are doing His will.
        I think I understand the idea behind your post. I feel the same way about keeping myself right, but that does not mean that I am going to stop putting forth my best effort to do the will of God. It just means that I need to keep “plugging away” at doing my best and spend more time reading and studying the Word delivered to guide me so that I will be better prepared to overcome temptation.
        To answer your question a day spent with Jesus so that I can do His will would be a day spent reading & meditating on His Word. It would include consulting His Word for the answer to any problem I might run into during the day. It would include remembering, and following, His Word when I turn on the tv or radio to relax for awhile. It would mean keeping in mind, and submitting to, the commands found in His Word when I interact with others.
        Let me ask a question along the same lines, What do you think a evangelical would see as a day spent with Jesus?
        That is what worries me about the message you present above. I know what it means to me and I am fairly certain what it means to you, but how does one who thinks you can go to heaven by just accepting Jesus into your life take the message?
        BTW let me take this opportunity to thank you for the wonderful lessons you have done on the Psalms and their usefulness for us today. I have not had opportunity to listen/read all of them, but the ones I have heard/read have renewed my interest in studying the Psalms and finding application to me.

        • EdwinCrozier

          Sorry. In my own way, I thought I had answered your question by pointing out that I’m not at all asserting this means I can disregard God’s will. 

          No doubt, there are conditions to which I must surrender to enter Christ. Romans 5:2 says that faith is the access to God’s grace. Romans 6:3 says we are baptized into Christ. Certainly, there are things I must do to be in Christ. And in that sense, I must definitely do God’s will in order to be in Christ.

          Any disagreement we have on this point is not doctrinal. Rather it has to do with the nature of writing.

          The title of this post and the explanation of my point should be taken as elliptical. That is, there are understood concepts that I felt didn’t need to be spelled out because I knew that folks like you would understand the “left out” principles. This is a biblical figure of speech used by Jesus in passages such as Matthew 6:19-21; 25-26; 11:18 and Paul in I Corinthians 1:17. Words that Jesus felt should be understood were left out. After all, Jesus is not telling us ownership of any material good or savings accounts are wrong. Not is He teaching us that we should have no concern whatsoever about survival. Nor did he mean that John did eat or drink anything. Paul certainly baptized people and taught baptism (unlike those evangelicals who misuse Paul’s statement to claim that the passage means baptism is unnecessary). This use of ellipsis often generates another figure of speech called hyperbole. Which is an exaggeration to make a point. It is similar to Jesus’ use of hyperbole in Luke 14:26. Jesus doesn’t really want us to hate our parents.We are to understand that this is a comparison to our love for God.

          The point of using such a figure is to attract attention, to cause people to stop in their tracks and say, “Wait a minute! That can’t be right. What on earth does that mean?” And then force them to think through it, such as Jesus’ statement that we must lose our lives to save them in Matthew 16:25 (we both know Jesus isn’t saying we must die a martyr’s death to be saved, but it could be taken that way if someone ignored the figure of speech). The fact that I’ve attracted your attention and caused you to think about this means my writing device did its job with you.

          Your answer to my question about a day seeking to be in Jesus gets to the point I really think we need to see. The issue is about motivation. I fear that too often we are motivated to do God’s will in the attempt to get ourselves into Christ, as if in some way we can save ourselves by our strength and prove ourselves good enough to be saved by how well we keep God’s will. I believe that motivation is destined to failure (Romans 7). However, when I realize that Philippians 2:12-13 says that the only reason any work I do for my salvation is worthwhile is because of God’s strength working in me, then I understand that my main goal today is to know God, to know Jesus, to connect to God so I can do His will. It is about motivation. If I am motivated by a desire to somehow save myself by my own strength, I’m going to be lacking. If I’m motivated by a desire to connect to God so I can be saved by His strength, then I’ll grow. I’ll abide in Jesus and I’ll do His will.

          Having known quite a few evangelicals who believe they go to heaven by accepting Jesus into their lives and seeing how they try to connect to Jesus, I think some of them would say the exact same thing you did. But then we have to discuss with them exactly what it is they are learning as they read the Lord’s Word. Some of them would say they don’t have to worry about it, they are already connected. That would be said. I have no doubt, those who want to say that would misuse my post just as they would misuse the Bible. However, looking at how some baptized Christians live, I think we would get the same split response from them. Some would say exactly what you said, and some would say (or at least live) “It doesn’t matter, I’ve been baptized and I go to a church of Christ. I’m good.” These might even misuse my post as they misuse the Bible.

          If there is one thing I’ve learned from reading the Bible, it does no good to try to write things in such a way that no one can misuse the writing to their own ends if they want to badly enough. Even God did not provide a revelation or written word that could not possibly be misconstrued if someone wanted it to mean something other than what it says badly enough. God even used figures of speech that could be purposefully misunderstood. So, while I try not to be too cavalier, I’ve also given up on believing that I can write something in such a way that if the evangelicals or atheists or even Christians wanted to they couldn’t misconstrue it. I just don’t think it is possible for me, a mere human, to accomplish that. Therefore, I make my points, using the figures of speech in my arsenal and I trust everyone to be as honest about my writing, keeping it in context of everything else they’ve read from me and comparing it to the Bible to figure out what I’m saying and how it fits together. That’s the best I can do. In the end, I simply hope it causes someone to stop and think and then compare to their own lives.

          For instance, whether you are willing to word it the way I did in this post. I hope you came away from it saying you need to do your dead-level best to know Jesus and be in Him (cf. Philippians 3:2-15).

          Finally, thanks for the encouragement on the Psalms. I’ve truly enjoyed studying them anew. They are becoming more and more meaningful to me. I hope a renewed interest in them does the same for you.



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